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22 Comments

Amber
Reply June 9, 2009

Read Jessica's comment from the last post.

Jessica
Reply June 9, 2009

youch

Jessica
Reply June 9, 2009

its so hard isnt it? loving people with the truth....i keep singing to myself
Holy Spirit take control, fan the fames within my soul....

Heather of the EO
Reply June 9, 2009

A lot of things struck me. I love that he's so open, in a sense. Because I know a lot of people that would throw that Bible to the ground. And I love that someone was bold enough to give it to him. And I love that the boldness wasn't cloaked in judgment or anger.

I have a friend who stops me short when I complain about Bible thumpers, people who stand on street corners and freak people out with their preaching. She says, "It takes all kinds to reach all kinds in all kinds of moments."

It's true.

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Jessica
Reply June 9, 2009

ok , so i sent it
and i entitled it REALLY loving people....thanks my friend for the wording. I am shaking.scared.who will not wanna talk to me tomorrow?

Elizabeth
Reply June 9, 2009

Thanks for sharing it. I just posted the clip on my blog as well... and put a link to you. I've been blogging and thinking about Christianity in the world... in our culture/society and how we all effect each other's testimony. This is extremely challenging.

Jessica
Reply June 10, 2009

so i woke to criticism....and from a believer. ....

"We must be accurate with the gospel, not sloppy or touchy freely. I am not sure what the man told Mr. Penn , but one thing I know is this: when Jesus witnessed to the Pharisees, they did not think He was a very nice man. they wanted to kill Him. the cut off Johns head, and stoned Stephen to death and beat Paul several times to where he was finally killed according to history. All of the apostles were killed for their witnessing. Trust me, they did not get the response that Mr. Penn gave. This tells me that the presentation was not accurate, because the gospel is by nature offensive to the fallen person. It attacks the pride of man. Do not listen to this man tell you how to witness.

Do not be fooled by the compliments of this atheist. He had a message. The message Mr. Penn was saying was this: tell me about your Jesus, be nice to me when you tell me, but what ever you do, do not tell me that I am in serious trouble or that I need to repent or never tell me about my sins. He wants Christians to think that the way you are to witness is to me nice and not challenging. Mr. Penn is crude and vulgar the last time I heard him 10 years ago. He needs to be confronted with his sin, not lied to about how wonderful his show was. "

Aunt Pam
Reply June 10, 2009

Wow! I have mixed feelings about this. First, I was touched that someone reached out to him in such a kind and loving way to at least he took the Word in his hand and didn't throw it down and he actually read and listened to what the man had to say. Penn was crying in this video, he was thinking that something must be there (GOD) and was humbled even though he did NOT want to admit it. I think only a christian would have shown such love and kindness to try to approach this man who could chew him up and spit him out with his hateful words and I believe that also humbled him. Second, it is like a switch that came on and reeled back into his belief and to the hard man that he has become. You could see it. At first, I thought a miracle had happened that this unbeliver was reconsidering, and then it hit me...oh, no....no miracle on him today. Not that it couldnt' happen to him. ...all things are possible through God.

Thanks for sharing this...it truly makes you think about reaching out more...and reaching with love. I have always been told and I am a firm believer of this...."you can catch more files with honey, than with vinegar." You can show how their need for repentance and the love of God by kindness and love rather than hitting them over the head with the Bible and say "Here...believe it!" I've seen that...not a pretty sight. Love God....Love Others. (Winterfest, 2009!) :-)

Jessica
Reply June 10, 2009

so interesting how people get different things from this video. I was not affected by the man who witnessed to Penn, I was affcted by Penn saying "how much must you hate someone, if you know something that could give them eternal life and never even tell them"

angela
Reply June 10, 2009

oh, glory me. this is one of them things where you throw a handful of christians into a room and say, "go!" and watch the fur fly. i'm going to think on this some and if i get any good words i'll be back.

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Amber
Reply June 10, 2009

I'm loving this feedback.

Jessica, the grace that is preached in the unsloppy and untouchy-feely gospel can also be poured even on believers who have formulaic instruction on how Christianity is to be done. The Pharisees who hated Jesus, John, Steven, and Paul were the ones who formulaicly believed they had the order of things down, the ones who said that if you break a rule, you've lost your status with God, the ones who believed they could earn salvation with their own right doing. God's sacrifice and mercy toward us, what He provides for us to rescue us from His own wrath, is The Gospel.

People often want to stone Christians today because we take a great pride in being hated. I've done it, too.

Aunt Pam is right. It is God's kindness that leads to repentance. When I first experienced the gospel of grace, I was not offended how your friend describes, I was relieved and pardoned. I was honored and drenched in love. I had heard the finger-pointing gospel for many guilty years, but not until I saw His kindness and grace toward me did I turn.

Ann Voskamp rightly says, "All's Grace," and it is. It has to be.

Amber
Reply June 10, 2009

No fur, please!

Jessica
Reply June 10, 2009

as it was with me also Amber.

Jessica
Reply June 10, 2009

i was mostly surprised at his response. i was mostly moved n the video by the slap in the face....how to truly love someone....self aside.....social awkwardness aside....

chelsea
Reply June 10, 2009

WOW. what a message... what a kick in the butt. for me. for all of us. i never thought about NOT sharing what I believe as being hateful.... but it is, isn't it?

I completely disagree with whoever it is that blasted Penn and the Christian who treated him with respect and decency and love. Wow. Um yeah, I am wondering how it was that Jesus could dine and sit and teach with "sinners" if there was so much animosity and hate involved; if He was so offensive to them? I am wondering how those dinners and discussions were if those sinners hated Jesus so much and Jesus, being God and all, must have been "presenting" it right... right? Its not the PRESENTATION of the Gospel that has any power to change or convict of sin... it has nothing to do with us.... it is the revelation of the Holy Spirit, the work of GOD himself in a person's heart and life that brings repentance and faith.

I give many kudos for this unnamed Christian that treated another man with such respect, honesty, and dignity.... who has learned how to love others, regardless of their beliefs or non-belief, with sincerity and authenticity. We all can learn from this person.

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Amber
Reply June 10, 2009

It's just good to see Jesus living in somebody. It's so good. Penn saw how good it is, and he called it rare. Love edifies, and I'm glad to be reminded.

Jessica
Reply June 10, 2009

Galatians 5:6

Amber
Reply June 10, 2009

Forget everything I've said. I've got to kick my high horses.

Galatians 5:6 Nothing counts but Faith expressing itself in LOVE! Thank you, Jessica.

Too often, I just want to be right. I want to be heard and right and better. I think the temptation is to share faith to prove ourselves right and better, especially when two believers have differing perspectives. It's interesting to me how I brought this to the table as an issue between a non-believer and a believer, and then WHAM! in no time, it surfaces as division between two who do believe.

I have a feeling that whoever shared with Penn really does think he's a smart cookie. He was appreciating in him what he sees of God's hands. I want to do that more.

Jessica
Reply June 10, 2009

I agree whole heartedly....I just wanna love on some peeps...hehe

Seth
Reply June 10, 2009

I only read Jessica's commentor's comment, so this ground may have already been turned.

Is the Gospel offensive to everyone? When Jesus confronted the woman at the well with her sin, was she offended? Did she run away in a fit? Did she slap him or spit on him? No, she said that she "perceived that [Jesus] was a prophet." And this is interesting because Jesus was outing her as a woman of negotiable affections--a statement that constitutes liable per se in most States in this great Union. She had every human right to be offended, but perhaps there was something polite in Jesus' delivery. Perhaps something even approachable?

There is a group that says to aptly share the gospel, the hearer must be offended, or at least slightly pissed off. May the gospel be offensive to some? Certainly. Must it be offensive to all--with all its glorious hope, love, charity, and peace?

It wasn't to me.

Jessica
Reply June 10, 2009

Seth, my husband brought up the same story of the prostitute.....and I agree with you and Amber whole heartedly.

Jordan Eoff
Reply June 14, 2009

My wife told me about this discussion. I saw this video a couple of months ago. Tonight, I started reading "Life as a Vapor" by John Piper. The first chapter (only a couple of pages long) was very applicable to this I think...the title is: DOES IT MATTER WHAT OTHERS THINK? You can click on the link and download the chapter for free if you are interested in reading it. It is too late for me to really expound on it, but it is a good read.
http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/OnlineBooks/ByTitle/1596_Life_As_a_Vapor_Sample/

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